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Re: NEWS: A New and Improved Forum is on the Way! grok 25 minutes ago
It IS fresh and easier to read. I like it too.

One more link issue to report and a suggestion.

Clicking on a user's name on the left side of a post DOES NOT lead to their profile. Clicking on their name on a "like" at the bottom of a post DOES lead to their profile.

A suggestion: on the left side of a post where it lists Joined Date, Posts Count, and Likes Count... Link the posts count to the list of all posts by that user and the like count to the list of all likes by that user. These linked lists are available on the user profile page but it would simplify the user experience to be able to do so right from a post by that user.

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Re: Grief and Gratitude, Grok - (A) Rise grok 8 hours ago
Well…what an end to the weekend. I see I still have work to do to accept that which I cannot change. To not stress about it. To vent a little here about my stress and my sadness.

Mostly it was a good weekend though. I sent off S13 and D18 with XW on a road trip she, Grandma, and Grandpa had planned. They were heading north through Georgia, Tennessee and on for a week. XW in her van and grandparents in their RV. D20 did not go. I did not ask.

“They” do it to me - I

I got many things done too. 27 Gal bins were filled with D18’s debris she had ejected from her bedroom a while back. Ikea shelving/storage units from her previous setup were put in the garage. (In theory for XW… though she has said many times she is going to take them … and no follow though. XW messaged a few weeks back, ”I’ll probably need you or D20 to help make the arrangements. I get ignored or sabotaged when I try”).

home ownership burdens - I

Tonight after doing the weekly grocery shopping together, D20 and I started on moving bookcases around to their new planned configuration… when…. Behind one that I had planned to leave in place I found a mold spot on the wall about 2 ft X 3 ft in size. $#%^#$%^$. A small spot on the floor in front seemed damp to me and smelled musty.

With the help of one of D20’s friends we inspected outside and then took a sheetrock knife to cut out the molded section. Huh. No moisture signs in the sheetrock. Only on the paint and surface. The next step will be pull off the baseboard and pull up the carpet to inspect. Ugh. I just see hours work and $$$ signs in front of my eyes.

“They” do it to me - II

With that, I called it for the night. A bowl of ice cream each (A scoop of cherry and a scoop of salted caramel pretzel. Hey, it was a BOGO sale today!) and then D20 and I off to walk the dogs. My phone rings half way thought the walk with D18 calling. I answer thinking nothing of it.

D18, ”Dad! Dad! Is D20 there? I HAVE TO TALK TO HER. SHE WASNT ANSWERING HER PHONE.”

G, ”Yes, she’s right here. We’re walking the dogs right now. I’ll put you on speaker.”

D18 crying, ”NO. I have to talk to HER.”

I hand the phone to D20 and take both dogs. I could hear D18 in tears and stress. Judging by her request for D20, this was not something for me to jump into protective DAD mode. I walked ahead … trusting in D20’s judgement. It sounded like they were discussing XW. Bits and pieces I heard:

She’s a grown woman and can make her own choices
You don’t control any of that
You can’t do anything about what she does
Just let her do it
Do you need me to come get you? (700 miles)
Go ride with Grandma and Grandpa instead
I have a relationship with her… It’s just not close


That last one… hurt to hear.

After we got home she did put the phone on speaker. With S13 on the other end also. They told us about their exciting day hiking and going in a cave with an underground waterfall. Our advice was - Go hang out with Grandpa when it is stressful. You don’t have to explain it all. Just tell him you need time away and want his company for a while. “

Later D20 volunteered:
Mom’s van door broke.
She said it was “them” who sabotaged it
She got upset when D18 didn’t believe her
She said she might leave them with Grandma and Grandpa and drive back home
She stormed off


home ownership burdens - II

And then I noticed the overflow pan under at the air conditioning was filling up with water. SIGH. The drain pipe is clogged again. I used the wet vac to clear the existing water. The vinegar poured down the drain pipe to help clear any growths. This may take several days of attention to clear. My fault for not cleaning it earlier on schedule. I’m tired. Of constant fixes needed. And just tired.

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LEMONADE - Forrest Frank & The Figs

Devil thought he really got us
I guess he just forgot that
God works everything for better
No matter what the weather
He knits it all together
Cozier than a sweater
………
Lemonade
I watch my worries wash a-way, lemonade
It's gonna be okay
Life gave me some lemons
But my Jesus, He be makin' lemonade


(The track was created during Forrest Frank's recovery from a serious skateboarding injury resulting in multiple back fractures, where he channeled his emotions into music from his hospital bed. … finding hope and faith in challenging times.)
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Midlife Crisis
Re: Still detaching and embracing my new normal grok 08/01/25 06:24 PM
MamaG,

Originally Posted by MamaG
DnJ thanks for the reminder that mars and venus are different. Somehow, I lose sight of this. You and Grok kindly remind me. Something I need to really learn rather than passively hear and forget.

Like everything else in this new version of you...it takes time and effort to embed into your thoughts, behaviors, habits...  The same for me.  You hit it right though.  That is what I see in what you wrote about S.  Those Mars/Venus books I find very good at putting deeper concepts into everyman/woman accessible language.  So, some modified cut/paste of the concepts I think apply to what you see from S. 

A young man where ... On Mars, competence and personal ability are highly valued, so they are driven towards success and accomplishment.

On solving problems  - on their own gives men a feeling of confidence, strength, and self-esteem, so they resist asking for help as a sign of weakness.  She may ask lots of questions about what is wrong or what is bothering him. That is exactly how she would want to be supported. However, Martians feel she doesn’t trust him to solve the problem himself.  On the flip side, if he asks for help or your take this means he respects, trusts and treasures your involvement.  High Praise! (even if he doesn't take the advice in the end)

On distance -

Men may become distant thinking about a problem or say “I’m fine” when clearly not. That disconnect doesn’t mean they don’t care or love her, but they want to solve the problem on their own, rather than burden others with it. 

Men Are Like Rubber Bands:  men periodically need to withdraw to renew themselves. This natural cycle should be respected to maintain balance in relationships.  Men require periodic withdrawal to recharge.

When faced with stress or challenges, men and women have different coping mechanisms. Men tend to withdraw into their “cave,” a metaphorical space where they can process their feelings and thoughts.

Men often offer solutions when women simply want to be heard, while women may offer unsolicited advice when men need space to solve problems on their own

Addendum.  For women: Learn to ask directly for what you need or clarify instead of hinting.  Annoying and crude as it may seem to Venus, that is saying it in HIS language.

Also, Congrats on a spot bonus!  Keep on and Shine like the sun.

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Shine - Stick Figure

Time stands still, but the clock keeps spinning
I close my eyes and get lost for a minute
The words and the tears, they have long dried up
I think I thought that I'd had enough
Shine on like the sun
Holding on to a feeling
Shine on everyone
Find love to believe in
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CHANGE IS IN THE AIR! Michele Weiner-Davis 08/01/25 01:33 AM
Hello all!

I am writing to announce that the online Forum will have a facelift! That's because I am launching a new website in the next day or two. If you want a copy of your most recent posts, make sure you copy them because the migration to the new website might lose some recent posts.

I am very excited about the new website, as well as the updated edition of my book, Healing from Infidelity. Plus, for all the people requesting an audiobook version, guess what!!! I created an audiobook as well.

So, stick around, change is in the air!

Warmly, Michele
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Re: Feeling hopeless DnJ 07/31/25 03:50 AM
Hello Stark

I found your old thread which is at the 100 post limit. Please make a new thread and I’ll link them together (if you want). Also a new thread will give folks a place to read and respond directly to you.

Thanks

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Re: 2nd Time Around (Thread #2) DnJ 07/29/25 12:48 PM
Good Morning MrP

It is wonderful to see W (and you) continuing to invest and commit to your new relationship. It sounds like the monthly tune-ups are solidifying and fostering a healthy partnership and healthy strategies for those inevitable disagreements that pop up.

I’d like to submit your story to the Another Divorce Busted! forum. If you’re interested please post a summary of your situation and I’ll get it published.

Have a great day.

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