Stubborn, guilt plays a big part here. Your S doesn't want to be the bad guy. I'm in the same sitch, my W won't leave but tells me to "leave if you want to". This way it is ME who is breaking up our family, not her. I've heard about how much she suffers not being able to be with the person she wants to be with, all for the family! What a martyr So, I think bottom line is, how much can you stand Stubborn? When you can't do it anymore, you pull the plug until then you just keep doing what you can do. I always felt I would hang on as long as I could see some hope, as long as I felt there was something else I could do. When that is gone, you have to think long and hard. Take care.