Choc, Dear Gawd Choc, you are starting to sound more and more like Cemar. The "problem" isn't who's not getting what, the problem is more likely lack of communication and needy behavior torpedoing any gains you do make.
I can't speak for PromiseKeepers, but for WWME, you couldn't be more wrong. There is NOTHING in WWME that makes anything the man's responsibility that is not also the woman's responsibilitly. WWME is really nothing more than a seminar to teach you a technique for intimate communication. That's it. Each of the dozen or so sessions on the weekend, you attend a presentation given by the couples running the weekend that goes over an aspect of marriage. Then you are given a topic and asked to write each other a love letter on your feelings for that topic. You are given like 10 or 20 mintues to write the letter. Then you are sent to your room where you read each other's letters and then pick one to discuss. In discussing them, the goal is to convey your feelings so that your spouse understands exactly what you are feeling. The stuff you write, and your discussions are only between the two of you, no one else sees or hears any of it. THERE IS NOTHING THERE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE THE PERFECT HUSBAND AND NOT EXPECT ANYTHING FROM YOUR WIFE. Guys, it is just a way to get you talking to each other on a more intimate level. Yes, it feels a bit hokey at first, but it does work if you keep at it.
My point, and I've said this to you before, is that you are dismissing WWME without knowing squat about it. Give it a shot my friend. What have you got to lose? Heck, if you get there and it isn't your cup of tea, then you don't even have to stay (Karen, for example, bailed out when she gave it a shot). It won't even cost you anything unless you chose to donate (we did). If nothing else, it gets you and the lovely MrsChoc out of the house and away from the kids for 48 hours and gives you time and help focusing on each other.
