Happiness, is it even possible.

[fearless]

I think the "most men want___" stuff is only meant to support the notion that his desires are not "unreasonable".

I agree. That's why I think he isn't feeling as self confident as he could be. When my XH and I would discuss my feelings, he would bring up how other women reacted to the same issue differently. I told him I understood but I was no necessarily like those other women and I still felt "______" Do my feelings not mean as much if other women don't feel like I do? Of course not. I just would like Cemar to get to the point where he doesn't depend on his wife or others to "make" him feel okay about himself.

as for the other stuff...um...yeah. sure.

Good thing I don't need WOA from you. If that's how you respond to Mrs.CAC4, I might be able to help!! Edit to add: Mrs.CAC4 Do I look OK before going out? CAC4: um...yeah. sure. (Not so helpful what about YES I think you are a beautiful woman.)

Seriously though, if you disagree with me or don't understand me (due to my "passionate rant" not being clear), please let me know. You are the window into Cemar's brain. No wait that has already been tried before. OK REALLY seriously, I do want to try to get through and while I am undecided on Cemar, I really do believe you want to "get" this. Plus with Mrs.CAC4 here, it is obvious you have your wife working WITH you even if it doesn't always FEEL that way.