I think we have to NOT get caught up in trying to understand the OW! It sidetracks us and gets us all worked up and for what? How is it helpful? OK, OW have issues, so what! They got caught up the same little fantasy our S's did, end of story. They can both choose to end it but don't (and some courageous ones do). Now, I think it more important to get back to thinking how we can improve the attraction of our M's for our partners. We can't provide the fantasy world that OW can but we CAN look at our R's and figure out what was missing and try to work on that. Let's all forget obsessing over this thread and get back to helping each other!