Thanks for stopping by LL, I was just at your thread. answer to your question about before marriage.. no..we were both at home..never had dated anyone else..I did not have too many friends that I did things with..so that is why I am afraid that this is what he has been seeking or is seeking and will become comfortable. I had a long talk with my friend at work and she can't imagne not giving an ultimatum..I said that is not how it works if you want to piece it back.I pointed over to our files(divorce) and said "look at all those..they probably did not know how to try and work on the m..cause d is easier and quicker" Outside people do not understand why we would be so patient, understanding..they think that after a month or two that everything should be worked out or move on..so sad. I don't know if there will be a time frame..when I have a crazy day of all down thoughts I think well maybe it's been long enough, but then when I get my mind calmed down I realize there is no time frame..how will we really know if it is just a bad day or two or really the "time" to make permanent decisions??? Have not seen or heard from h since Monday, that seems like an eternity to me..but I will not call him.. I feel strong to hang in there.. Sue