MrsCAC4 and Lil, This could have easily been written by MrsGGB as well. Her parents were both distant. Mom was an alcoholic and was verbally abusive, calling her fat to her face. Dad told her frequently that she shouldn't go to college that she wouldn't amount to anything. MrsGGB didn't date in high school except for one guy her parents set her up with, whom she later got engaged to, again at her parents insistence. She and her cousins referred to him as "fire hydrant material". She had sex for the first time with me at age 21. I don't think she ever associated sex and love either.