8, I am in absolute agreement with you in your last two posts. It seems surreal that they say they love, and show love, to their children but are willing to do something that can only inflict incredible damage on them. If we were unwilling to even look at changing ourselves or the R, I would have some compassion yet that is not the case. If we try and it doesn't work, well, so be it but not this! That's why my W (and maybe yours) is still here, the guilt she feels re what leaving would do to the children. Again, that is probably not the only reason, but that's what she states (for whatever that's worth). Re the legal stuff, my lawyer told me to be very careful in any interaction, she said if I so much as brush her going out the door in the morning, W could get a court order banning me from the home! She's seen it happen. She also told me to avoid any angry confrontation like the plague. It is amazing to me that adutlery is not seen as a negative when the court is looking at custody, unless the lifestyle is completely crazy! Obviously, the best thing is to work things our amiacably, even separation,this is best for us, our children and any future chances for reconciliation. I try to keep this in mind, especially on those days I'm ready to show her the door. Aside from hoping she comes to her senses, my secondary dream is that she will decide to leave. Me leaving, is kind of my nightmare but what is is!