On your response to my post: You have said that your W is using the OM and negativity to justify her actions and want for a divorce. In this mindset can you do anything right? When you do something right does it give you happiness or do you feel you had to compromise your sense of right and wrong to do it? I know that right and good are all perspective. But how do you get her perspective without ESP? My W and I are seperated and talk about once a week and I understand her perspective because she tells it to me not because I can read her mind. My problem is getting her to understand I understand and have changed as a person. I know we are not bad people in the degree our W's feel so to take their responses as a way to measure our rights and wrongs, goods and bads won't work completely.