Interesting quote in sig about infidelity continuing as long as their sense of entitlement exceeds their ability to reason.
I'd modify that. Their conscience and/or personal code of morals, must exceed their rationalizations.
Same applies to lying, regardless of whether it's an affair, or financial, or the kids, etc. Honesty not a requirement for some, b/c in their minds, being honest means not always getting what they want because their request is denied, or honesty is too hard for them b/c they refuse to face the consequences of their choices. By lying, they avoid this ----in the short run--but imho, deceit ALWAYS makes the ultimate outcome worse, even for the liar.
(Having said that, I make the exception for details of affairs. Once the infidelity is getting honestly addressed, you can spare the spouse the nitty gritty unless they want it. Even then, be careful of their damaged egos. Don't dump on them to relieve your conscience by forcing them to hear every single bit).
I'm digressing and what I really want to do is get the whole picture of this sitch but I can't find it with this new system. Can someone tell me where I find H's original post b/c I don't know enough about the "original sin" and who did what, to comment? Thanks, and sorry if my tangent got you all off track. But I can tell from reading your posts that you won't stay off track for long. This thread has a lot of great thinking/writing in it. j-
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