Muddle, did you say the PAYLESS word! Is there nothing you won't stoop to in your bid to drive this woman mad I've been there myself. It was a few years ago when we were away on a short vacation. The waitress at a restaurant asked if we'd like to take the leftovers with us, W said yes, I said "dear, we don't have a fridge at the hotel" so she then declined to take them. When we got back to the hotel, she was fuming because I had embarassed her in front of the waitress. I apologized and said I would try to be more mindful of those kind of situations in the future. Now, to me it was just a fact being presented (without much thought) but to her it was an attack on her competence in front of a stranger. I figured if that was her experience of what I did then I really didn't need to understand it, just respect it. But at least I didn't use the PAYLESS word