Hi LFL ( hands you a welcoming chocolate basket)... The cycle I spoke of would not be the same for you and MJ, now that I think of it, because you and she would still feel HD in response to the hurt. But regardless, there's this cycle of hurt, guilt, and sexuality that somehow needs to be broken. And it sounds like you have had some success by not inducing more guilt...perhaps the greatest success comes from the radical honesty approach.