Hi everyone, I've just been doing a little thinking about the way I've been feeling the past few days. My W's planning of a trip struck me as a blow. It showed that she wasn't thinking any further about my counselling idea but just carrying on as usual. It would appear that we're back to "if you want to leave, then leave". I must remember that all this is what is going on in my head, it may not necessarilly be so. But I feel like my options in this sitch are become fewer each day. A big part of me says "it's over, there is no way she is going to change". I've always kept plugging away and that little hope that maybe something I was doing would make a diff. I feel that part is being sucked out of me now. Do I hang in and hope to outlast the OP? Detach and just carry on? or do I say this is not working lets sit down and discuss separation. She seems to be under the impression that it's as easy as me just going, uh uh! I do wonder if she actually sat down and looked at what would be entailed in that process whether that might force her to think about the future more. Does she realize that legally I am entitled to half of what the house sells for? Does she even realize the house would be going? How would she be there for the kids on her nights to be with them? There are tons of things to deal with yet her response is an off the cuff "leave if you want to leave". I could try the LRT or tell her there is a cutoff date for her to choose to save her M and family, or else? I don't know, it's just a horrible feeling to even contemplate ending our family. So, for now I will continue with my activities and keep my spirits up, go back for counselling and see what comes my way. I just don't see our family remaining intact at the end of this. That's sad.