gbon - have a question for you. So many thoughts and issues. I do agree with gbon - I believe I did push my h away somewhat (I can now say this)which contributed to my h having an affair - no I do not take the blame for he is responsbile for his actions but I can now understand why - who knows if I had the same opportunity if I would have gone down that same road (I truly do not believe I would but that other force can be pretty powerful). gbon - you made me see the other side and my h has read what you replied with earlier in this thread and we are both in agreement but do you have any other words of wisdom that they can possibly get him to see the flip side - we all know what happens with an affair after a while but I mean the deeper things - the feelings that they feel at the beginning and how it is down the line or can you direct me to something that might help him out. He is more open to things now - and yes a slap on the hand for me sharing some of these things with him but he seems to be grasping for some help and will not go to counseling. If anyone has any suggestions please throw them this way. Thanks.