Stubborn, Sorry to hear about tonight! It never ceases to amaze me how they can do such hurtful things and somehow legitimize the actions in their minds. In fact, they often resent us for having feelings about it at all! I know my W has legitimized her A by being a martyr! She doesn't allow family time to be affected by her A, she misses time with OP for the family. She stays and suffers for the family! I'm serious. So, her pain more than offsets my feelings. They each do it in their own way, just turn things around! I still remember your S's line "some people just have no morals!" referring elseshere, of course! But, again, we must recognize that the A did not just happen because they were so damn happy with us, we played and still play a part in the hurt that exists in our R's. I'd invite you for a sleepover tonight but it's family time, you know!!!LOL