Luke, as you know, you and I share somewhat similar situations. My W wants to stay together as H and W, carry on her A, and keep it all quiet to spare the kids! These are my thoughts: - If we stay together "just for the kids" I am unable to have any kind of meaningful R with anyone else. This is so because otherwise I would be committing adultry, which is a very bad example for my kids. -We are teaching the children that what they percieve as being love between their parents is actually a sham. So what they are going to base their future R's on is untrue. So, how do they guage what real love in a R is if this is what we are presenting them with. How is this "sparing the kids"? So, how does staying together for the kids, your parents or anyone else make sense? Beats me. My W says she isn't happy living this way but that's what she chooses to do! Go figure. I hope my thoughts are of some help here.