cac4 said umm...no. not at all. not even a little bit. that's just plain wrong. we're not talking about an orgasm deficit, here. This is just no substitute for sex with an actual person...one that by willfully and enthusiastically participating is saying "I love you back". maybe that’s something that you can't understand unless you take heaps of supplemental testosterone, or are reincarnated as a man.
I second that cac4, although I don't think one necessarily has to be a male. I see females post something similar.

Fearless, good post overall but about this suggestion of yours The most obvious is first of all you can take care of yourself physically and that does take care of testosterone issues.
So if I am 63 and take care of myself 3X in one day I should be not wanting sex with my W? BTDT and I still wanted affection, an emotional bond with my W, the warmth of her body, be with some one I like kissing me, someone I could bring a little joy into their life, :eyeroll: (well my W doesn't like sex that much but she does like the back rubs I give her during sex).

Maybe I could watch some sexy movies and take care of myself.
BTDT and it isn't nearly as good as loving and having sex with another person I care about and wanthing her to care about me.

Now, imagine "Eddy Murphy" dancing around you, waving a chocolate icecream cone, taunting, "...I got some iiiiice cream...and you cant haaaaave none...cuz you can't affoooooord it....cuz you're on the weelllll-fare!".
get the picture?
^5 cac4. That is a good description.

Now on the other side, my W isn't interested in sex, well maybe a little, but she certainly wants attention from me. I can be attentive, flirt, and court her just as long as I don't ask for much in return. No she doesn't have much of a sex drive and had some medical problems that decrease sex drive.

The problem for me is I think I am normal so what does a male with a normal sex drive do when their partner either has some medical problems or just doesn't feel that chemical drive?

Just a question. I don't think there are many good answers for some couples. Maybe I want too much? No I guess I am one of those needy guys.

The train is damaged, it doesn't go very often and when it does the ride is short.

Lou