I am new to this forum and I am so glad I fount this website. I have been seeing improvements since I started DBing. But here I am stuck on a few issues and need some advice. Here is the background info:
Background: We have known each other for 20 years, married for 14. We have two sons, age 6 and 8, both great, well balanced kids. Marriage has been pretty normal, though not very romantic. We moved from US to Singapore in 2003 due to husband's international assignment. I quit my engineering manager job to concentrate on the family.
DH: 38, ACOA, very responsible type due to taking care of all his sisters since he was young. He is very committed to the kids OW: 34, also ACOA (dad gambler, mom alcoholic), had a brother who always took care of her. Me: 38, normal middle class family upbringing, introvert
How it happened (a very short version) This is from what DH told me. I personally beleived the emotional part of A started earlier than April. Physical part started in April or May. OW's brother, also DH's friend, got sick all of a sudden and it turned out to be cancer. DH felt he needed to take care of her and helped her out in many ways, including pursuing her. Brother died in August. early Oct: I confronted him on the increasing night out till 4am. He confessed and seemed very guilty. I had the normal blaming, yelling, etc. After a few days, I said, "Severe all contacts" which he later decided he could not. Another month of more anguish. I said, "Leave her or leave me". We started counseling. During my reading, we discovered the term ACOA, midlife crisis, all of these new things, as well as how affairs affect our relationship. mid-Nov: He finally decided "Since he cannot leave her now, he has no choice but to leave me." The reasons he told me are: 1. He cannot leave her at this time because her brother just passed away, her father died a year ago. He is really worried she will do something stupid or get influence from all her "wrong" friends 2. He discovered something that he never had before, I do not exactly understand him, but I think he discovered to have fun and to be carefree, and not to plan anything, something he never experienced before. He needs to explore that 3. (I don't understand this one). He said he is being selfish, he wants to help her until she can have her self-esteem back and stand on her own. Currently is not a good time to leave her. 4. He did state that he was not divorcing me, and may not work out with her, just he is leaving me because my choice is "leave me or leave her". 5. This one is not directly from him, but from my observation. He felt that I am a very guarded person (which I realize now I am), and all these years I led a more private life and he shares his daily details with me. He said the OW would tell him little silly things in daily life which I don't. When he told me his decision, natually I pleaded, cried, all sorts. At some point, I mentioned I asked him if he can re-discover himself without leaving the marriage. He kept going back to "since he could not leave her, he has to leave me" Somewhere I said "do not have sex with her." I forgot what led to that statement. After a few days when I calmed down, I decided that is not a fair request and told him I retrieved my request. Strangely, from Nov till now, early Jan, he is still honoring that (though he said he would get cornered by her soon)
Due to the holidays and all the planned overseas trip and our counselor on vacation, we are postponing working out the separation agreement till after the new year. Starting mid-Nov, I discovered Michele's books and started reading. From then till now, there have been many changes. Mid-Nov: He was ready to walk out just any minute we had an argument. He kept saying he loved her and he loved me at the same time. Early Jan: He has been not that eager to find an apt. He has not had sex with her. He has not gone out with her much and not till very late at all. We had great fun together doing things because (I) figured I am going to enjoy my last months with a partner and is trying to do all the things which I won't do alone (romantic dinners, getting more drunk, dancing, etc.) He is also saying a lot (esp. after sex) that he loves me much more than he loves her (guilty talk?) Two nights ago, I was telling him how the separation will affect the kids decades down the road vs staying together, he mentioned may be he should stay in the guest room till we move back to the US in the summer. I asked, "What then?" He said then the kids and I will have emotional support from grandparents and families. I told him I need to consider that. Today, he went back to saying about finding a place again. He also talked more about the details of visitation, etc. We talked about the sex part and how we both really enjoyed it. He wanted to see if he can still come back and have sex with me after he moves out. I told him, "i cannot due to safety reasons. I will sleep with him if he does not have sex with her." No answer from him. I have also strongly requested (bad move!!!) that he use protection with her to avoid the complication of a baby. No answer from him. He kept saying he did not want to give me hope since he cannot guarantee anything. One more thing, unless he decides to ditch the kids (which he won't), we are moving back to the US in the summer because there is no reason for me to stay anymore and the kids are going with me. He said he is committed to the kids and will follow wherever I go. As with OW, he does not know and will leave that up to her.
Here, I need some advice from you all: - Should I have him stay in the guest room till the summer? Or have him move out? On one hand, having him stay will certainly increase our time together, and making him spending time with her more difficult since he is still guilty contacting her in front of me (eventhough I don't put pressure on him) On the other hand, living him outside will sure show him all the comfort he is missing at home, like dinner, laundry, family time with the kids. Also, if he really needs time to be alone to work out his feelings, may be he is better living outside. But of course, he will almost certainly sleep with her if he lives outside. And she may spend the night, etc. - Sex. I can either: not sleep with him at all, sleeps with him if he promises to use condom with her, sleeps with him if he uses condom with me. Well, what do you all think??? According to him, he enjoys it with me more than with her. I feel being used to let him sleep with two persons, but not overwhelmingly and will do it if it helps. Afterall, I do enjoy it. - Assuming the OW really needs help, should I just turn a blind eye and tell him to do what he needs to do and come back? I guess the point is I don't really buy that a mature, married-before, career women will actually fall apart without a man whom she was intimate for such a short time (despite the fact that DH sort of became replacement for her dead brother plus more) He did mention in passing once that after he moves out, he plans to be very irritating to her so she will dump him. Frankly, I do not buy that... - anyone who had similar experience and/or advice? I am trying to read as many post as possible and it has been helping.
I will certainly have more questions later. But I guess this is enough for a first post :-) I do plan to post more as i can say all the methods are working so far. There really have been a big change in DH and myself. Of course, he still won't leave her for some reason.....
Talk to you later, Thanks, ourcrisis
M 38, H 38, two sons Met 20 years ago Married 13 years Bomb: Oct, 2006 DB: Started in Dec, 2006 H moved out for 3 weeks in Mar, 2007 H back home and piecing?