just to add, I grew up in the UU tradition. and yeah, "social justice" is a biggie with us. We tend to be quite liberal, in the classic sense (which just means "open minded"). this makes it difficult to reconcile Dr. Laura...which I just read, coincindentally. On the one hand, my male-ness agrees with her positions whole-heartedly. but my UU/PC/hippie-dippy leftist/feminist upbringing winces at the suggestion that women ever do anything less than walk on water. The book just seems so one-sided. maybe it was only meant to address one side of the equation, but sheesh... I do think she's right on a bunch of points, though. And the male-bashing thing..yeah, I've seen lots of that, too. I used to frequent a web forum that was almost exclusively female, and the bashing was just constant. I don't know why I kept going back for so long. I think it was a form of rubber-necking. I don't want to look...but I can't NOT look. It was often like being a fly on the wall. much of the time, I didn't like what I saw. another alarming trend these days is in the education field, boys are though of and treated as defective girls. something I'm going to have to be on top of, as the father to a young son.