Many of the most feminazi women who were key to getting women where they are today have had regrets/rethought their positions as they mellowed out, got a bit older.
Do you have any links to this? I would like to see what they have to say. That would be powerful information to see a feminazi retract some of her own dogma. It might help my wife to rethink some of her justifications and see some of the cracks in her armor.
Mrs.Nop: The way she explained it to me wasn't so much that she didn't want me to have contact with DD5, but that I "announced" on the way in, that I would be taking her downstairs, rather than discussing it with her, or asking her what her preference was. My usual M.O. is to just let W announce it, because I don't really care. So, a), she felt 'un-consulted' and b) she felt like I was dominating the parental role. Yeah, she's being overly sensitive, but I don't think it was any kind of plan to come between my daughter and me. However, I'll be on the look-out for that sort of thing.
The end-of-service pick-up of DD5 was different, in that I thought she'd already gone downstairs, and I thought I'd meet her. Then, I thought I'd just be "Helpful Hairdog" and sign DD5 out. I mean, what was I supposed to do, see DD5, and then leave her in the class while all the other parents were picking their kids up? I suppose Ms.Hdog's perfect hubby would have consulted with her prior to leaving his seat; would have, perhaps, not had a conversation with the other guy; and would have waited obediently in the lobby.
But perfect, I am not.
And Karen, I often wish that Ms.Hdog had a friend who could talk to her about this sort of thing. The only friends she seems to have here in KC are business associates, and some moms of school chums of DD5, very superficial relationships. Her best friend is her sister, and they seem to be two peas in a pod, based on some convos I've had with my bro-in-law.
Despite this little glowing ember of hope I still have that she'll figure out what a catch I am and want to jump me, I note, every year, how much dimmer that ember glows.
Quote: It might help my wife to rethink some of her justifications and see some of the cracks in her armor.
I used to think this way, Cobra. I would spend a lot of time looking for such statements. They do exist. I just know that my W would not be swayed by them. Instead, she would question woman's motivations, or, worse yet, doubt that such statements were even written by a woman at all.
And, of course, her pat answer to hearing about women who enjoy sex A LOT, or who enjoy any sex that is slightly over the edge (including, btw, oral sex), is that the women were probably abused. Or that the women are "unenlightened."
I know, how did I end up here?
Maybe it's because of reading Dr.Laura, but I'm going to have to agree with my ol' pal CeMar and say that "bait and switch" has at least something to do with it.
Quote: Maybe Mrs. HD will find out along the way that she can have sex, be a woman, be a wife and be an accomplished person too without having this tight azzed, politically correct, prickly approach to everything.
We will celebrate that happy occurrence by having everyone fly to New York City in my private jet where you all will witness my personal dream coming true, too: I will have morphed/transmogrified into Bernadette Peters from the neck down and Julianne Moore from the neck up and will be starring in "Chicago" (in the Bebe Neuwirth/Catherine Zeta-Jones role).
You are all that - if not "on paper" in your dreams and aspirations. It is hard sometimes to hold on to those dreams. I have been having a tough time of it too.
Cobra,
As HD said - all of that info does exist. I have mostly read about these women in magazines etc... I don't have any links. As HD said - probably won't do any good.
just to add, I grew up in the UU tradition. and yeah, "social justice" is a biggie with us. We tend to be quite liberal, in the classic sense (which just means "open minded"). this makes it difficult to reconcile Dr. Laura...which I just read, coincindentally. On the one hand, my male-ness agrees with her positions whole-heartedly. but my UU/PC/hippie-dippy leftist/feminist upbringing winces at the suggestion that women ever do anything less than walk on water. The book just seems so one-sided. maybe it was only meant to address one side of the equation, but sheesh... I do think she's right on a bunch of points, though. And the male-bashing thing..yeah, I've seen lots of that, too. I used to frequent a web forum that was almost exclusively female, and the bashing was just constant. I don't know why I kept going back for so long. I think it was a form of rubber-necking. I don't want to look...but I can't NOT look. It was often like being a fly on the wall. much of the time, I didn't like what I saw. another alarming trend these days is in the education field, boys are though of and treated as defective girls. something I'm going to have to be on top of, as the father to a young son.
Oh, Lil, do I have to ride in your private jet? I'd prefer my gold-plated flying car, if you don't mind. Or my personal jetpack.
And cac, I can understand your difficulty reconciling DrL with UU philosophy. The book is peppered with those familiar references to the bible (son shall leave his father, flesh shall be as one, etc) that she uses to punctuate her general theme: "Ladies, wake up! He's going to leave you if you don't start treating him right! And who would blame him?"
She apparently has a new book out called "The Care and Feeding Of Marriage". Maybe it contains that balance you're looking for. I didn't see it at B&N.
hey, its not that *I* have difficulty reconciling it; its that most (my perception) of the female population of the year 2007 (uu or other persuasion) won't have any of it for a minute. and thats their problem...but now its our problem, too, so what do we do about it? She may very well be holding up a mirror to "liberated" women everywhere, that reveals the absolute truth...but they don't want to see it. how W will see it, I don't know. she hasn't read it yet. She's not "militant" in that department. we'll just have to wait and see...
That’s why I suggested to Hairdog to also get Dieda’s book. This whole women’s lib thing is about equality and justice. If they are going to be close minded in their view of themselves, then play it smart and turn the hypocrisy of their own views around on them. Reading Dieda will certainly strike a chord with ALL women. Not too long ago some of the women here were gushing over Dieda, wishing their husbands were like him, caring, attentive, yet quietly strong and self assured. A woman has no problem in justifying that a man put her first in his thoughts and the purpose of his life’s mission. So why wouldn’t it also follow that a woman do for the man what would attract him? I think the key to getting women to hear the message of Schlessinger is to first get them to buy into the ideas of Dieda. Just my two cents. Try it.
Quote: [Dr. Laura] apparently has a new book out called "The Care and Feeding Of Marriage". Maybe it contains that balance you're looking for. I didn't see it at B&N.
If you didn't see it at B&N, you're looking in the wrong place. I just got back from Wal-Mart, and while I was there, Dr. L came over the in-store broadcasting system plugging the book. If that's not proof that this book is for us unwashed masses duking it out in the relationship wars, I don't know what is.
It was often like being a fly on the wall. much of the time, I didn't like what I saw. 
I just got back from Wal-Mart, and while I was there, Dr. L came over the in-store broadcasting system plugging the book. If that's not proof that this book is for us unwashed masses duking it out in the relationship wars, I don't know what is.