Guess what, W sits down and talks with me for two hours tonight about her issues at work. WTF. Oh, is the rollercoaster starting again Nope, cuz I'm not gettin on this time. Don't have to hit me upside the head (that's American talk, Tom). I listened, I validated and I made only one suggestion (remember, we're talking two hours here). I got a little heated when I felt she was being abused and said "You are a person with feelings, you deserve more respect than that" she said she was more concerned with the effect on her team, I said "I can certainly understand that, but my concern is for your feelings" Not bad, EH! Now, normally my heart would flutter and I'd start thinking about "Oh boy, maybe there's hope here" but not tonight. I'm thinking we had a nice talk, I think I was helpful and supportive and that's it. Nothing has changed. I will carry on taking care of myself, what is is!!! I'm not getting in that friggin car again Muddle LOL (at least not tonight anyway).