Lou, I went through so many of the self help books, mainly as a way of gaining some control over my life...most have had something worthwhile to say. I think it makes sense to try to reach out in some fashion ( whether its by books, counseling, an anonymous board, etc.)...what I find strange is that my H never shows any initative to try to make things better in this way. He's watched tapes, read books, and is even in therapy all from my prompting, but on his own he wouldn't have done a thing. Refused any kind of help for so long. I just don't get it.