Good idea, JJ. Certainly worth a try. I already do this quite a bit, but not with a focus toward the R. W and I have a great friendship and comradery, it's intimacy in all forms that is the stumbling block. So, by taking more notice of what works in "safe" areas of the R, and in other more social R's I have, I can notice how to apply the techniques I already use to my marital R. Is that the gist of what you mean?