Well, tonite W and I are going to discuss allowance for the kids and Christmas presents! Yesterday she called a family meeting to plan for Christmas. She informed the kids that they would not be recieving the same number of presents as in the past but her and I would decide an appropriate number. She also has a plan for giving out allowances which she gave to me to go over. This morning before I left I suggested we get together tonite to discuss these things. Wow, she's actually being proactive here! I guess my planned 180 was right on, too bad she beat me to the punch! Her allowance plan seems on the whole fine but it's just a matter of sticking to it and not making it into a convoluted, detailed nightmare. Keep it simple, will be my motto here. This is one of her issues that we come up with plans and then don't follow through (because life gets in the way). So my goal for this is to follow through on a mutually agreed upon plan that will work detailing who will do what, when etc. I will LISTEN to her ideas re Christmas presents and blow her mind by being in complete agreement (unless she's really out there, and she isn't) I guess she's concerned about finances, she wants to make sure I'll have enough money to move out I'll keep you posted folks.