Right again mlc. when we get bogged down in our victim labels, we can't do anything positive about our situation. My whole childhood didn't suck, either. We had lots of great times, my stepfather loved to travel, so we did lots of it all over the country and to Canada and Mexico. My father, even though an alcoholic, loved his kids, and never lifted a hand to us. Of course, after the age of ten, I didn't see him for a long time, but by then, he had quit drinking, and I loved his sense of humor, alot like mine. I found a lot of stuff we had in common. He died about 6 years ago, and I miss some of the talks we had. He, too told me he was sorry. We all get together at least a couple of times a year, and are pretty close. I love my mother, but we have never been close, I am the one she calls for info about the others. My early life was hard, but I let go of the bad parts, and when I think back, it's usually the good stuff that I think of. The situation I am in now, is harder than any of that, because now I am a grown up and have to fix it myself. So, if I were to sit and stew over past hurts, I would never be able to DB and move forward with my work on M. My H was acting very happy this morning, so who knows? You are right that Rocco has seemed to get kind of stuck in the hurts, but maybe now that he has started counseling with Laurie, he will start to move forward past the hurts.