Hey I took a nice 45 minute unplanned walk last night,when the communication got bad. Afterwards we had a nice time together for a while - it was a step, but I still am struggling for that real breakthrough. My wife sees what I am trying as selfish - getting my own way, etc, though I am really trying to show her her that she needs to first accept me as a seperate person, then trust me to do what is right and be a servant to the family. Her mode is to try to force me to be all that, and in the process run roughshod and treat me like a non-person. Boy its a long road. I really wish we could break through to annther plane of relationship and communication. We seemtogo in circles, but I refuse to act angry or be hurt anymore. Thanks for your help - I wish my wife was as dedicated as you were to improving things. It doesn't seem sappy to my for you to say that stuff. Affirmationis great - it is one of the things that my friend really did that opened my eyes to what I had been missing.