Rocco, I don't remember exactly either, but it's something like this. A man asked how many times he had to forgive someone, seven times? And Jesus said seventy times seven, which means however many times it takes, endless times. Perhaps you should take the advice mother moving on gave me, not to push your religion on your W, it will make her run the other way. so, don't give her religious lectures, unless she asks you to. Stop thinking so much about the past, and think about what you are going to do in the future. The past is just that-past. So, you know all about your failures and you sure as heck can number hers, but where is that getting you? you said you have to forgive to move on, otherwise you are stuck, but it seems you are stuck, anyway, because you almost seem rooted to the same spot. I went back and read your other posts and you say a lot of the same things there that you do here, but you don't seem to know what to do next. I hope you really will listen to the DB coach, because they will give you the best advice for your situation. From what I read in other peoples' posts here, marriages can really be turned around and that gives me hope for mine, let it give you hope for yours. L