Thanks for the reply.

We've gone to two (more or less) useless counselers already; the first saw no reason to ask why my wife said she had no hope, the second seemed more intent on figuring out why I was upset by the whole matter.

(I'm not saying these things to denigrate counselers in general, but I do suspect that many of them are hide-bound by their general prejudices about how things work in relationships.)

I'm steeling myself for more of the same with the coming meeting. Hoping for the best nonetheless.

Right now, I just keep wondering about what could ever allow my wife to get over the fear she has that a future life with me would be as bad as before. She really feels that it was destroying her.

I know that her feelings about me and the relationship are not going to change overnight. Yet I hope that in the midst of everything that is going on (OP involvement continuing, counseling, holidays coming up, etc.) my changes continue to be apparent.

But are they too little, too late?