you said it, you do not need to give up hope, just let her think you have. and yes muddle, she has to find you as a friend first, before anything else can happen. muddle you have to start giving in to her, even if you dont agree. she is in a cloud, when (and i do mean when because she will)she comes out of her tunnel, you want to be there for her, meaning a true friend. that is the key, you must become friends again, i know you want more, so did i and everyone else in here, but i had to stop fighting and playing tug of war with my wife. and you know what, as soon as i did this, she noticed right away, and was happy, just like i was to not fight anymore. your wife is in defense mode, meaning its up to you and only you to stop, give, what ever you want to call it to become friends. muddle the best way to her heart is friendship. i would suggest killing her with kindness, give her compliment, build up her confidence, if she does something for your son, tell her man you are a great mother, awesome mother. your wife is down right now, help pick her back up. once she figures out you are giving up hope for marriage and now all you want is friendship, her gaurd will come down. then she will start looking at you the way she did when you two first met. you know all this muddle, you just have to do it
