muddle: i truly believe you can save your marriage. but the first thing you need to do is listen to your w and agree with her. if she says its over agree, if she says i can not work agree, SHE HAS GIVEN UP HOPE TO YOU, SO GIVE UP HOPE TO HER. what i mean is be nice, do not try anymore to fix this, you know thats how i was, i tried to fix everything, you cant. but you can agree with her, honey your right, we are not meant to be together anymore, what ever she says agree and move on. show her no more emotion. be a friend. thats it. have one more talk with her, soon. and this is what i would tell her. you have tried everything. i would tell her honey, these last several months has been hard on both of us, we have been going in two different directions, you want out, i do not, but after looking at the whole picture last night,i realized you are right, we do not belong together, you and i deserve better. i want to be happy just like you do, and we are not giving each other this. so what i am telling you is this, my gloves are comming off, i give up on our marriage, you can come and go as you please, i will do the same, i love you in a different way now, only for our son, take care of yourself and i hope you really find happynest. muddle i really think its time you just start agreeing with her, give her some power, and make her look at you again. you guys just keep banging your heads here, you want in she wants out you want in she wants out, give her what she wants, let her know you are giving her this. once you do this stick to it, dont relapse, make her wonder why you are giving up. it will make her slow down and think and look back at you.
