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Cobra said: The problem I am having with what everyone here is preaching is that I should stay above the fray, let W do as she pleases and hope that eventually she will see her errors and self correct, that there is nothing I can or should do to change or correct her, for otherwise it is manipulation


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No one is saying this.

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Double ditto. No one is saying this. Why do you hear this?

Cobra, you have shown yourself to be a smart guy, insightful, sensitive... get down off that defensive pedestal and HEAR what your friends who love you (and who have NO vested interest in what happens inside your relationship) are telling you.

Okay, blow off what your W is saying (with no name calling)... but why are you blowing off what WE are saying?

Does not compute.