Your point is well taken. I have approached my sitch in the manner you have advised. Really, there was no other choice! GAL is so important whether the W responds to it or not. But I still believe there is a manner of communication between women that men just don't get. Women tend to like to stroke all the nuances of a problem situation and tease them out. Guys just want to get to a solution. My W wants a mindreader, someone who knows what she needs without her having to tell me (funny, she told me this). The OW is very good at picking up cues etc. and knowing just the right thing to do or say. I will never be as good as that. When I try to improve I'm told "That's not really you, you're just doing that because you think I'll like it" e.g. romantic gestures. Anybody else have any thoughts on whether woman/woman A's are different than male/female. Do we need to approach them differently or just in the same manner? It would be interesting to hear Michelle's thoughts on the subject because the topic is nowhere to be found in her books.