Well another update. I was driving home around noon and just happened to come up to my W going home for lunch. She called me and said do you want to buy me lunch. I first said i had things to do but then called her back and said ok. So we went to lunch. She told me about her weekend and how he bosses husband tried to make out with her at a party and that she left after that. I did my best to keep the rage inside but I have to say ARRRRRGHHHH!!!!! That is the most helpless feeling like someone saying my kid has incureable cancer or something. She also said she was going to get a bigger appartment because she was going to be there a while. (bitterly) I just listened and tried to be emphatic. As we were leaving she commented on how I was dressed. She asked how many times had she tried to get me to dress like this in all the time we were together. I asked if she liked it. She said yes but a little too late. I thought in my head olny because you say it is. She discussed how she couldn't take off Thanksgiving and see her family but might go for Christmas. I dont see either happening with no money but thats just me. I pciked up the book Men are fron Mars Women are from Venus. It is very enlightening. I am giong to try to talk to my W as often as she lets me. Now I am not going to start calling her but when she calls I will make the small talk that women need to feel wanted in a R. No matter how many times she says its over I can't see that yet. no papers are being filed and she still comes around. I want to talk to her so badly about the changes she sees but I know it doesn't matter unitl she makes it matter. So I will keep on this path and pray for the best.