Benwa, the wonderful thing about this board is that you are interacting with people who will cheer for you as you try to save your marriage. I know myself, I have wonderful friends who support me through this, but if I bailed they would each say "about time, I wondered when you would come to your senses". They hate to see you hurt and see separation as a way to end that pain for you. DB pals are here because they BELIEVE in what you are trying to do. Even when the odds suck, they'll cheer you on! Hard to find anywhere else. So hang in there and remember the sun will come up tomorrow no matter how dark today seems. Count on it! No matter how your M turns out, you will be a better person for doing what is right. I think as a cheerleader I'm now supposed to do a cartwheel now, so consider it done!