Thanks for the response I think thats right. Show my commitment. I was wondering also about showing her friends my commitment. My W has 2 colse firnds who are trying to stay "neutral" one has talked to me and one has not. Is there a way to show them the canges I have made to pass along to my W? Or is that seen as trying to recruit for my "team"? I feel that her friends want her to be happy but think shes being foolish. She has told me in the past how much they both think of me one even said I was gorgeous. They both have terrible relationship issues and felt that my W was lucky with me. Do you think they could help? Has anyone else has success or failure doing this?