Absolutely right! I'm "lucky" in that my w sees the OP once per week for a few hours and that is it! I don't have to spend time worrying about how often, where they are etc. I don't know how I would handle that if she were endlessly out or calling the OP. Isn't it sad when one thinks this makes him lucky!? It always amazes me when w says she's done everything to save the m (yours says she can't do it anymore) and when you try to think of one thing she's done, nothing comes to mind. I guess if nagging and pointing out h's faults is considered working on your m then mine sure has worked hard on the m! I guess what I'm doing now is called venting. Hang tough, guy! Remember, you are a hero right now.