First of all, not ALL of the convo was bad. There was a LOT of "I DO love you" comming from her. Also, she said she was still making plans with US for doing things way into the future and she thought she was doing that because she knew things would work out but she just didn't know how. She also said, at the VERY end of the convo that she was really glad to have talked and that while a lot of it was painful for both of us, it was better than each of us keeping it bottled up, which we both do all the time. To this I agree.
Sorry, just wanted to set more of the tone of the convo. I am focusing on the negatives but there WERE plenty of things, if you were so inclined, that you could take as positive. I guess my mood isn't there...yet.
Oh (this edited in) also, I did manage to tell her that I would not settle for a one sided physical relationship anymore and that it had been that way from the beginning. She agreed that it had been that way with us from day one but didn't know what do to about it. I said get help, that's what.
Something I should have put in my original post is that I told her MANY times that she needed to get help...that WE needed to get help. I told her that trying to do everything to save the marriage, for the kids, whatever, meant admitting that you don't have all the answers and are willing to ask someone, or some book, for help. It's what I did and it doen't make me better, but it does show that I am willing to admit that I don't have the answers. "W, you are not willing to do that. You think you know how things should be. You know everything..."
