that is crossing the line, so i wont offer or ask or any of that, however, if the W came home and said this is what i wanted (the urinating)... it would completely get her off -- ya know what, for her (her only) i would go along with it.
problem is, I KNOW FOR A FACT SHE WILL NOT -- so why even go there. yes, i know you can apply that to other acts that are at the heart of the issue here.... however, the other acts we are talking about, to me, are normal experiences and exposures - you shouldnt be deprived of them