Quote: Its almost like he is so well trained and conditioned to think of others first and himself last, that he can’t accept any kind of self gratification and has almost become immune to EC, sort of robotic-like, kwim?
This describes MrH as well. Maybe not as strong on the robotic front as MrLil, but definitely the training to think of everyone else first. His mother is a first class martyr--you've never met anyone who can spin an event to be all about her, like she can--and so his natural personality tendencies (he is an enneagram 6) were magnified within this particular FOO type.
