IT probably WILL get that far Andy. My own experience when I was dissatfied in my M I was doing ALL thhise things that all the guys here post about. THe thing is most people cannot live stagnant for a long period of time. You HAVE to change. IF your wife is caught in some kind of sitch where she is, for lack of a better word somewhat indifferent to you with reguards to your feelings and her low libido she will eventually want to work through this. This can't be a cake walk for her either. I know she does not seem motiated alot of the time, but I guarantee you she is thinking in her mind of what she can do. SHe already has come along way by your own testimony-she's just not near where you want her to be. I hate to say this because I am not a patient person, but she needs more time. Obviously. Adrian needs more time. Sage needs more time. They have begun to move towards us-it took time. It's on our side right? I'm still not sure how that works, but it sounds good-I'll take anything on my side I can get. She loves you Andy-she does. Rachael
