you know gh i understand that you did not like what i posted to you. which is fine, all our sitch's are the same is some was and different in others, and yes we all handle them in different ways. with that said, even you have said that our sitchs seem to have close ties. my state of limbo consummed me really bad, you know that, but me like you will sooner or later finally could not take it anymore. so i had the talk with my wife, and i grew some balls and told her how i felt about this limbo, that i was not going to take it anymore, i told her i loved her, i value her openion, and she had every right to find her happyness. but i did also, and at this point i was not happy and i was not going to do this anymore, and you know what, IT MADE HER THINK, that possibly if she truly wanted this to work it was time that she started making it work. is it your time to have that talk with her, only you know that, only you know how much longer you can do this. know what do you know at this point. 1)om has contacted your w 2)w has also contacted om. thats all you know. if you need to know any more you HAVE to ask her. if not then go on as if. its your choice, you asked for advice i then gave my 2 cents worth, just like i am now.