Thanks again Lily He was put in charge of the workplace. No management skills he did alot of screaming and yelling at the guys because owner was riding his case. He realized that first of all that really wasnt him. And it was getting him know where with the guys. He started to work with them be pleasant. Of course the boss didnt like it and he was demoted. But he is happy he doesnt have to be in charge. I guess he did learn a lesson I can grab onto to get the message across with his s I think he will make it he is trying. Thanks Lily, I do comprendez Have a great weekend Loretta (the key word here is negotiation, you are amazing