testa thanks for the reply,I hope I am getting better because I know that for the most part I have done a pretty crappy job DBing.Thats a point I try to get across to the new comers.As hard as it is you have to give them the space they are asking for or it will take longer or not happen at all.When I asked her today if I needed to get a sitter for us to go out she paused and said she wasn't ready for just us two to go out yet,so I said thats ok if you change you're mind let me know,maybe next time.Six months ago we would have ended up discussing it for a hour until one of us got mad.Since I let it go she turned around and wanted to talk about other things and then she came by my office.Oh well gotta the kids and I are babysitting my XW's moms dog tonight.The soap opera continues.How are you doing testa?