I'm in a similar boat. However, I view it a little different. W and I do not get alot of time togather. The time we do get I choose to spend having fun and offering affection. W is not in a position to return in same. For now, I choose to appreciate the fact that she tries. Her mind is so busy with trying to define her own sense of identity. W is back in school at night and has started a gardening business. She works two part time jobs as well as taking care of business at home.

If your W really wants to pursue OR talks, why not find yourself a good C to faciitate things and keep a positive direction. I would also recommend one of Micheles KLA seminars (getaway weekend) and/or Retrovaille. If your gonna talk OR, keep it focused on the future.

I know all about the waiting game my friend. Been at it Since Oct of 2000. You survive by finding joy in other places. It does not mean you pull away from W. It only means you take care of yourself.

I'm tryin to talk my brother into another fishin trip to Park City in the Spring. I hope to be walking by then and I can already feel the trout hittin my fly. This is what I call takin care of me. I am also planning to build that rose garden this spring. The one I always put off to spend the $ on higher priorities. This is the year my friend.

Start small buddy. Doing stuff for you will feel strange at first.

K