I do notice you are putting so much expectations on this, try, try and pull back a little. Your expectations could be set so high when this is a time for less pressure. You know my W who is a very bright woman and very analytical forgot several words, key words we had in several conversations. She swore she never said certain things, go figure because I know what I heard. But maybe it was totally out of fear and frustration and survival. I keep reading throughout these posts, "never believe what they say and only 50% of what they do". Hmmm, it makes you wonder just how accurate these patterns we all experience are. I do know this, my W has been responding so much better with NO, I mean zero pressure from me. Maybe Loretta it's time you changed your tactics for now, take a different approach. Don't lose what you have worked so hard to gain, you deserve the happiness as well. And FYI, stop blaming the alcohol....Keep your ring close, you will be wearing it again....don't hurt him by saying you threw it away, you might regret you ever said that if he comes around and you have your husband back....I think you are still in a critical phase and the less pressure, the better. Stop kicking a dead horse, it will not get up and trot for you. Find another horse and teach it new ways. Good luck and much happiness. I will say a prayer for you and your husband...