darmar,

That is an excellent point that you make about the receiver not getting the message. There is more than one way to communicate. In my case, verbal communication is not within the realm of effective transmission devices. Actions are. That is because if things will work out with the former Mrs, she needs to see concrete things.

It is up to all of us to seek that which works for us. I must say that I have probably had more ORs than many who come to this board. Also, I did my share of dishing dirt. I feel that the ORs were good. I received information as to the problems even though much of what I said seemed to be dismissed. She still hangs around and she still feels a connection.

The communication thing has always been a stickler for me when coming to this BB. Too many people think that ORs should be avoided at all costs. But as you said - DB, DB, DB. One of the major tenets of DB is to do something different. And since most of us never had any real ORs, that might be something different.

IMP