GH: do me a favor, before you have that talk, try to pursue first. if she says no keep trying. tell her things in a fun way. like MAN IM FULL OF TESTOSTRONE, WOULDNT IT BE NICE TO SHAKE THE HOUSE DOWN WITH WILD SEX, you know whatever, have you ever talked dirty to her? if not then do so, if you have then talk dirtyer. i never did this with my w in our r. but when i started she picked up on right away, lately as i have told you she stares at me trying to figure out WHO I AM, she even ask me that WHO ARE YOU, i tell you it peeked her intrest, almost instantly. i am only telling you this because i was like you gave up too early, then while doing 180's i thought what was the other guy giving her that i wasnt. i decided to be naughty, talk dirty, and most important for me, when i have that oppertunity, i took full advantage of it, know it might be my only chance, i made it my quest to make sure she went atleast 5 times before i was done, she actually went more, so do an 180 gh, pursue differntly then you have been, throw her off gauard, you can do it, dont take no for an anwser.