I aboslutely understand and agree with you (although I'm not so sure I simplified it). DBing is NOT being passive, it is being very assertive. Making changes in oneself is the hardest thing we can ever do, and by DBing, most of us are doing that. Making tough choices, dealing with our own issues and baggage, etc. I know from my own experience, that is NOT an easy thing to do. I've had to face many tough decisions and look within myself to determine how I can be a better person. How's that being passive?

As for the Dr. Phil thing, I can't agree more (although I don't necessarily think he's the "source"). and for the benefit of everyone who is reading this, I will reiterate...you have to earn the right to leave a relationship. And furthermore, you haven't earned that right until you can look your partner in the eyes and tell them that its over, without anger, resentment, pain, etc.

I don't know much about the debate on Muddle's thread, but I do know that many people have vented on this board about being done, throwing in the towel, going dark, etc....and I imagine that 99% of that sort of talk is just rhetoric. It seems to me that if you truly are prepared to throw in the towel, its a lot less likely that you'll do it by announcing it to the board. By I digress...as long as they are merely venting on here and doing the right things in their lives, then I guess it doesn't matter.



"Achieve success, but without vanity; Achieve success, but without aggression; Achieve success, but without gain; Achieve success, but without force." Lao Tzu