Well, I can relate to BB here on some level Lou. I don't find it surprising that you (a good guy) and GoodGuy59 (a self-designated "good guy" Lol) are so confused on this issue, and frustrated. I think some women find "good guys" to be too supplicating. Also, I think, whether subconsciously or not, the woman loses respect for a man who doesn't seem to have any strong boundaries. This goes both ways of course. I think men probably see women who let them walk all over them in a less respected light. In other words, a woman who puts up with a Jerk and does not respect herself enough to maintain a boundary is just as bad as the Man who lacks boundaries related to his W's continued avoidance, nagging, pickiness, whining, whatever it happens to be.
OK, So shoot me for being an admitted non-alpha male. Hey, I always thought that a good guy was a good thing anyway. Nonetheless, I see your point, L4L, and see the dynamics of the good guy/alpha dichotomy in my R and you have me thinking; however, I would appreciate you defining boundaries with examples. Would limits be a better description? Limits to what the man is willing to accept. Rather than boundaries that limit where he is willing to go? Am I splitting hairs? Perhaps I am slow on the uptake on this one.
I hope that we are not overtaking this thread with the alphmale talk.
Hey, I always thought that a good guy was a good thing anyway. Nonetheless, I see your point, L4L, and see the dynamics of the good guy/alpha dichotomy in my R and you have me thinking; however, I would appreciate you defining boundaries with examples. Would limits be a better description? Limits to what the man is willing to accept. Rather than boundaries that limit where he is willing to go? Am I splitting hairs? Perhaps I am slow on the uptake on this one.