LFL wrote:
Women certainly do NOT want the sensitive guy to "disappear" as you stated, just show more Alpha traits, mainly confidence and assertiveness. I understand that you are in a vicious circle with your F, the less she wants sex, the less confident you become. But that is just making things worse.
Lou wrote: LFL I suspect some LDW might have a different take on this, and this makes it more difficult for some H's to be more alpha.
Are you saying that LDW's don't want a confident/assertive man? I think All women can appreciate those traits and it would only help in the sex dept.

My question is, what beliefs that you have, would you think many LDW would say are valid if there was honest talk among a group of women. I think some women buy in to the I don't like sex that much from their peers.
I have a few friends who say they would be happy with a cuddle instead of full blown sex. But when we talk about sex with Alpha's, they are just as TURNED ON as HDW. They say things like, "I bet he would be great in bed." So I know they think HD, they just don't always ACT HD in their M. I think a completely ND female is probably pretty rare. Just like a ND male. But again, I think women will M the man they LOVE and not always the man they want to F*ck. Maybe men do that too. (The whole madonna/whore thing again).

Once they have a SL, then they say sex is a chore or they could do with less sex. Answer that question for maybetime’s benefit, not mine.
I wish I could answer it. Sometimes it's all the other R problems that hurt the SL. Sometimes it's those preconceived notions of what women DO after they get M, just have less sex. Especially if they hang around other women who support that viewpoint. Could be any number of issues though. It still makes me shake my head when I see women acting like a good SL with their H is of little importance. Actually, I'll amend that and say either S not thinking a good SL is important. Men are just as guilty as women at times.